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		<title>Comment on When Was Jesus Really Born? by Randy Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.Intellibible.com/christmas-traditions/when-was-jesus-really-born/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I received the following comment in an email from zodrowja:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;You stated:&#160; &quot;The birth of Christ was set on December 25th by the early Church leaders in 440 a.d. on the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, the winter solstice.&quot;&#160; However, the date of December 25 was actually set quite a bit earlier than that, sometime prior to A.D. 354 at the latest.&#160; See http://www.bib-arch.org/e-features/christmas.asp and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#Feast_established.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I stand corrected, however, I would put more weight on the article from Biblical Archeology Review than I would on Wikipedia. BAR states:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The December 25 feast seems to have existed before 312&#8212;before Constantine and his conversion, at least. As we have seen, the Donatist Christians in North Africa seem to have know it from before that time. Furthermore, in the mid- to late fourth century, church leaders in the eastern Empire concerned themselves not with introducing a celebration of Jesus&#8217; birthday, but with the addition of the December date to their traditional celebration on January 6.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Wikipedia may, indeed, be correct, but since the entries can be added and edited by anybody it doesn&#039;t have quite the credibility as BAR.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, the focus of my post was on when Jesus was actually born, not when the birth is celebrated. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received the following comment in an email from zodrowja:</p>
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<p>You stated:&nbsp; &quot;The birth of Christ was set on December 25th by the early Church leaders in 440 a.d. on the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, the winter solstice.&quot;&nbsp; However, the date of December 25 was actually set quite a bit earlier than that, sometime prior to A.D. 354 at the latest.&nbsp; See <a href="http://www.bib-arch.org/e-features/christmas.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bib-arch.org/e-features/christmas.asp</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#Feast_established" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#Feast_established</a>.</p>
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<p>I stand corrected, however, I would put more weight on the article from Biblical Archeology Review than I would on Wikipedia. BAR states:</p>
<p><em>The December 25 feast seems to have existed before 312&mdash;before Constantine and his conversion, at least. As we have seen, the Donatist Christians in North Africa seem to have know it from before that time. Furthermore, in the mid- to late fourth century, church leaders in the eastern Empire concerned themselves not with introducing a celebration of Jesus&rsquo; birthday, but with the addition of the December date to their traditional celebration on January 6.</em></p>
<p>The Wikipedia may, indeed, be correct, but since the entries can be added and edited by anybody it doesn&#39;t have quite the credibility as BAR.</p>
<p>In any case, the focus of my post was on when Jesus was actually born, not when the birth is celebrated. <br />
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		<title>Comment on The Bigotry of Tolerance: A Christmas Message by Jessie</title>
		<link>http://www.Intellibible.com/general-notes/the-bigotry-of-tolerance-a-christmas-message/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 03:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN....   Jessie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN&#8230;.   Jessie</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Was Jesus Really Born? by Jessie</title>
		<link>http://www.Intellibible.com/christmas-traditions/when-was-jesus-really-born/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Job again, Randy!  See you Sunday....  Jessie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Job again, Randy!  See you Sunday&#8230;.  Jessie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christmas Traditions And The Birth Of Jesus by Randy Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.Intellibible.com/christmas-traditions/christmas-traditions-and-the-birth-of-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jessie

I&#039;ve been a little behind on that, but I&#039;ll try to be more consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jessie</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a little behind on that, but I&#8217;ll try to be more consistent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christmas Traditions And The Birth Of Jesus by Jessie</title>
		<link>http://www.Intellibible.com/christmas-traditions/christmas-traditions-and-the-birth-of-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, just wanted to thank you for doing our last Sunday School&#039;s lesson on here.  That was nice.  Jessie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, just wanted to thank you for doing our last Sunday School&#8217;s lesson on here.  That was nice.  Jessie</p>
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